We are trying to get these topics back up and running, so here you go
Originally started by:amasian

Whats the topic? it just says evolution.. and thats not really saying much.

Sorry, I was trying to get the last posts...(not really working out)
Anyway, here are some of the Questions
Do you believe in evolution? How does it fit in with religion? Why do you think people have reacted in such stong ways?

Evolution doesn't need to fit in with religion because there are vast differences. Evolution relies on facts, and evidence. Where as religion has some evidence, but relies mostly on faith alone. Evolution is the winner in my book, but I'm always open to other suggestions, I just need facts, evidence, and no books tell me they're right.

I believe in the old testament to some extent, because a lot of the events have been proven, some have been proven to be rooted in myth, and some have even been proven as an impossibility of reason. The only story I have major disbelief in is Noah's Ark. :P

I do not belive in Evolution. The fact that I might have been a monkey scares me. Evolution to me, is just a huge fluke!

Because scientific evidence and logical thought processes are all a myth made to destroy creationism, even though there are plenty of creationists and even Christians who support evolution, unless the Vatican has zero influence over Catholics. :)

So you believe in myths?

That was a bad example of sarcasm my fine sir.

How so? You are the only one that mentioned about myths before.

I was satirizing the fact that a lot of the time creationists think evolution is a myth just made up to destroy creationism.

Ah I see, well I know it is a myth. :)- ;)

I know this was posted in the other thread, the God thread, however, it could do with a post here as well:

Know that although I use old dates, the basics would still hold true today.
The population of the world according to the Berlin census of 1922 was approximately 1.8 billion. The population of the human race would have to double itself 30.75 times to make this number. According to the chronology of Hales, based on the Septuagint text, 5077 years had passed since Noah's flood (in 1922), and 5177 years since Earth's ancestors numbered two (Noah and his wife). By dividing 5177 by 30.75, we get the number 168.3. This is the average number of years it would take the human race to double its numbers. It seems reasonable, does it not? As the human race grows in numbers, it would take longer to double its population, thus producing a number that is not 40 or 50 years, but greater.
Also, according to Hales, in 1922, 3 850 years had passed since Jacob married. Also, the numbers of Jews in 1922 were recorded as being about 15.4 million, resulting in a number of doublings equaling 23.8758, meaning an average doubling time of 161.251 years.
Examine these numbers closely. Do they not resemble each other? This may not be enough for some, however, so I shall present you the other side of the argument: evolution. Scientists admit that there were an original man and woman who gave birth to the entire human race. This alone is a hard blow to evolution, yet, I shall proceed with that in mind. Even if this original pair of humans existed but 100 000 years ago, that would require a doubling time of 1 612.51 years! Is this number not shocking? It is completely unrealistic!

That is a major reason why I believe in creation, and not evolution. If you would like to know many other reasons why evolution is false, please visit http://www.ldolphin.org/wmwilliams.html
This is an old text, and some arguments may not hold true. However, I accept many of them to be true.


I believe that evolution is merely the thought process of people attempting to convince themselves that there is no God, It is not science. It is not fact. Evolution can NEVER be proven right, even if the example I stated above and all the other examples in that text I cited are proven wrong, evolution still cannot be proven; there will never be certainty on the issue. However, God plainly lays out what He did; I know exactly what happened, and exactly HOW it happened.

I'm curious which scientists these are. I've never heard of any credible evidence being submitted that cites a theory of an Adam and Eve like couple.

Except that not all evolutionists are atheists (and even then you are assuming they are non-religious; need I remind you atheism is the disbelief in a God, gods or deities, not a total abandonment of spirituality or religion?). Many Christians, Muslims, even Judaists believe that evolution is the concept of God, the method through which He created the world. Science and religion are not exclusive, and those on either side proclaiming so are merely delusional fools trapped in a paradox where each thinks they know best yet believes themselves humbled.

Actually, it is. This should not surely require explanation.

Hence why it's called the Theory of Evolution. Assuming you understand the termonology of theory, you would know this is a given statement. Smells like propaganda in your anti-evolution campaign - reinforcing the point through stating the obvious in the hopes people will assume evolution is not a theory but a fact held by the scientific, an erroneous and insulting thought to say the least.

You are correct that it is unlikely evolution can ever be proven, but neither can God. Witness your Holy Text and compare it to the others: all are the same. They all lay out what happened and how, merely in different ways. So according to your logic God, Allah, Vishnu, Shiva, Izinami, and all other deities revered throughout the time of man must be real, thus meaning the monotheists of the various religions are in fact wrong; their beliefs are correct but their doctrine is not monotheistic, because this means there is a divine race of celestial beings. Either that or God has one hell of a family.

So, going beyond the fact that the Bible - or whatever text you follows - lays out how and why He did it, care to explain how that differs from the hundreds of other religions and cults? Hell, even Scientology lays out a logical, even if unlikely or falsified, account of how things happened. How does this change your beliefs from a theory to a fact? Evolution itself exclaims that it is not fact; how can you put it down and yet provide nothing to prove your own theory?

Evolution has pretty much been proven. There is basically no more debate within the scientific community. Religion and evolution can coexist peacefully, my friends. Evolution doesn't teach how life started on Earth, it teaches how life grew to become what it is now. Why can't we just agree that if there is a God, then evolution was his (or her) plan for life. Maybe God planned it this way so things would never stay boring for too long. :P

Why? Because it's not true.

Why isn't it true? Because the Bible says it isn't? Oh wait, the Bible never said it isn't. Hmm... So it's just your opinion... well obviously I was mistaken. Excuse me my good sir for being so simple-minded. :O

I belive in it 100% percent. However, I'm open-minded for religious ideas.

I don't know for sure but I have some questions to ask you:

Are you a relativist?

Do you believe in absolute truth?