Title: Science vs.. God
Singh - December 14, 2006 12:53 AM (GMT)
We are trying to get these topics back up and running, so here you go
Singh - December 14, 2006 02:09 AM (GMT)
Do you think that science and God can exist side by side peacefully? Why?
Kreator - December 28, 2006 03:26 AM (GMT)
I fail to see how the two conflict each other. Does Earth orbit the Sun? Does the Moon orbit the Earth? If yes, then Science is the answer. Do we detect waves from the big bang? Yes. Does this mean God didn't create the big bang? No.
The only conflict here is in the minds of those who prefer controversy over intelligence. :)
Drake1500 - January 14, 2007 12:30 AM (GMT)
My own belief is that science and God can co-exist. But you are looking at human science, which in areas, is false, because of man's fallability.
Godly science is science that is true; the earth rotates around the sun, the earth is a sphere, the earth has both water and life on it.
One of my own beliefs, which I developed independently, is that God uses science to create miracles. Sure, people are cured of a disease and people are amazed because it's obviously a work of God. However, there are other things; God uses the rules He's created to make miracles that are "under the radar", miracles that a "true" scientist would explain away with their science. However, I recognize that God was the creator of those rules, and thus, must take full credit for the miracle.
These miracles that I speak of are things that could be seen as similar to a scientist developing a cure or something of the sort. Sometimes, it seems completely random that this thing happened, others, not.
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning"
-James 1:17 (NKJV)
Amasian - January 14, 2007 12:36 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Drake1500 @ Jan 13 2007, 07:30 PM) |
My own belief is that science and God can co-exist. But you are looking at human science, which in areas, is false, because of man's fallability.
Godly science is science that is true; the earth rotates around the sun, the earth is a sphere, the earth has both water and life on it.
One of my own beliefs, which I developed independently, is that God uses science to create miracles. Sure, people are cured of a disease and people are amazed because it's obviously a work of God. However, there are other things; God uses the rules He's created to make miracles that are "under the radar", miracles that a "true" scientist would explain away with their science. However, I recognize that God was the creator of those rules, and thus, must take full credit for the miracle.
These miracles that I speak of are things that could be seen as similar to a scientist developing a cure or something of the sort. Sometimes, it seems completely random that this thing happened, others, not.
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning"
-James 1:17 (NKJV) |
How do you use science to revive the dead and duplicate 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes to feed 5,000 men?
Kreator - January 14, 2007 06:16 AM (GMT)
Where Science fails, God improvises. It's things like that which can not be explained by science, but faith in the supernatural alone. Does it mean it didn't happen? No. Of course, supernatural things can not be proven, or disproven with the use of science. Supernatural is above natural. Whether it exists or not is debatable only in theory, since there will never be any factual evidence of such things. :)
robshoy - January 17, 2007 03:50 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (amasian @ Jan 13 2007, 07:36 PM) |
| QUOTE (Drake1500 @ Jan 13 2007, 07:30 PM) | My own belief is that science and God can co-exist. But you are looking at human science, which in areas, is false, because of man's fallability.
Godly science is science that is true; the earth rotates around the sun, the earth is a sphere, the earth has both water and life on it.
One of my own beliefs, which I developed independently, is that God uses science to create miracles. Sure, people are cured of a disease and people are amazed because it's obviously a work of God. However, there are other things; God uses the rules He's created to make miracles that are "under the radar", miracles that a "true" scientist would explain away with their science. However, I recognize that God was the creator of those rules, and thus, must take full credit for the miracle.
These miracles that I speak of are things that could be seen as similar to a scientist developing a cure or something of the sort. Sometimes, it seems completely random that this thing happened, others, not.
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning"
-James 1:17 (NKJV) |
How do you use science to revive the dead and duplicate 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes to feed 5,000 men?
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We don't use Science to do that. We use Science because it's the way that humans can learn and develop their skills to make life easier, healthier, longer, and over all better. Or is that not what God wants?
Amasian - January 17, 2007 03:55 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (robshoy @ Jan 16 2007, 10:50 PM) |
| QUOTE (amasian @ Jan 13 2007, 07:36 PM) | | QUOTE (Drake1500 @ Jan 13 2007, 07:30 PM) | My own belief is that science and God can co-exist. But you are looking at human science, which in areas, is false, because of man's fallability.
Godly science is science that is true; the earth rotates around the sun, the earth is a sphere, the earth has both water and life on it.
One of my own beliefs, which I developed independently, is that God uses science to create miracles. Sure, people are cured of a disease and people are amazed because it's obviously a work of God. However, there are other things; God uses the rules He's created to make miracles that are "under the radar", miracles that a "true" scientist would explain away with their science. However, I recognize that God was the creator of those rules, and thus, must take full credit for the miracle.
These miracles that I speak of are things that could be seen as similar to a scientist developing a cure or something of the sort. Sometimes, it seems completely random that this thing happened, others, not.
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning"
-James 1:17 (NKJV) |
How do you use science to revive the dead and duplicate 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes to feed 5,000 men?
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We don't use Science to do that. We use Science because it's the way that humans can learn and develop their skills to make life easier, healthier, longer, and over all better. Or is that not what God wants?
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Ah, but I was replying to the following statement:
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| One of my own beliefs, which I developed independently, is that God uses science to create miracles. |
robshoy - January 17, 2007 03:59 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (amasian @ Jan 16 2007, 10:55 PM) |
| QUOTE (robshoy @ Jan 16 2007, 10:50 PM) | | QUOTE (amasian @ Jan 13 2007, 07:36 PM) | | QUOTE (Drake1500 @ Jan 13 2007, 07:30 PM) | My own belief is that science and God can co-exist. But you are looking at human science, which in areas, is false, because of man's fallability.
Godly science is science that is true; the earth rotates around the sun, the earth is a sphere, the earth has both water and life on it.
One of my own beliefs, which I developed independently, is that God uses science to create miracles. Sure, people are cured of a disease and people are amazed because it's obviously a work of God. However, there are other things; God uses the rules He's created to make miracles that are "under the radar", miracles that a "true" scientist would explain away with their science. However, I recognize that God was the creator of those rules, and thus, must take full credit for the miracle.
These miracles that I speak of are things that could be seen as similar to a scientist developing a cure or something of the sort. Sometimes, it seems completely random that this thing happened, others, not.
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning"
-James 1:17 (NKJV) |
How do you use science to revive the dead and duplicate 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes to feed 5,000 men?
|
We don't use Science to do that. We use Science because it's the way that humans can learn and develop their skills to make life easier, healthier, longer, and over all better. Or is that not what God wants?
|
Ah, but I was replying to the following statement:
| QUOTE | | One of my own beliefs, which I developed independently, is that God uses science to create miracles. |
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But your reply made no sense.
He said that God uses science. You're asking if we as people use science for those purposes. Science is one thing, but it has layers (Like an onion, or an ogre). We're on one layer, while God is on a completely different layer. He uses a few basic rules from our level, but most of the stuff he does is on the higher level that we just haven't reached yet. Once we do reach it, God will be on a higher level still. That's my philosophy.
Amasian - January 17, 2007 08:18 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (robshoy @ Jan 16 2007, 10:59 PM) |
| QUOTE (amasian @ Jan 16 2007, 10:55 PM) | | QUOTE (robshoy @ Jan 16 2007, 10:50 PM) | | QUOTE (amasian @ Jan 13 2007, 07:36 PM) | | QUOTE (Drake1500 @ Jan 13 2007, 07:30 PM) | My own belief is that science and God can co-exist. But you are looking at human science, which in areas, is false, because of man's fallability.
Godly science is science that is true; the earth rotates around the sun, the earth is a sphere, the earth has both water and life on it.
One of my own beliefs, which I developed independently, is that God uses science to create miracles. Sure, people are cured of a disease and people are amazed because it's obviously a work of God. However, there are other things; God uses the rules He's created to make miracles that are "under the radar", miracles that a "true" scientist would explain away with their science. However, I recognize that God was the creator of those rules, and thus, must take full credit for the miracle.
These miracles that I speak of are things that could be seen as similar to a scientist developing a cure or something of the sort. Sometimes, it seems completely random that this thing happened, others, not.
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning"
-James 1:17 (NKJV) |
How do you use science to revive the dead and duplicate 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes to feed 5,000 men?
|
We don't use Science to do that. We use Science because it's the way that humans can learn and develop their skills to make life easier, healthier, longer, and over all better. Or is that not what God wants?
|
Ah, but I was replying to the following statement:
| QUOTE | | One of my own beliefs, which I developed independently, is that God uses science to create miracles. |
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But your reply made no sense.
He said that God uses science. You're asking if we as people use science for those purposes. Science is one thing, but it has layers (Like an onion, or an ogre). We're on one layer, while God is on a completely different layer. He uses a few basic rules from our level, but most of the stuff he does is on the higher level that we just haven't reached yet. Once we do reach it, God will be on a higher level still. That's my philosophy.
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What Drake1500 said was that God uses science to do miracles. So then I asked him how it was possible to use science, and by doing this, to turn so little food into thousands of food to feed 5,000 men. Do you get what I'm saying now (?)
robshoy - January 17, 2007 09:52 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (amasian @ Jan 17 2007, 03:18 PM) |
| QUOTE (robshoy @ Jan 16 2007, 10:59 PM) | | QUOTE (amasian @ Jan 16 2007, 10:55 PM) | | QUOTE (robshoy @ Jan 16 2007, 10:50 PM) | | QUOTE (amasian @ Jan 13 2007, 07:36 PM) | | QUOTE (Drake1500 @ Jan 13 2007, 07:30 PM) | My own belief is that science and God can co-exist. But you are looking at human science, which in areas, is false, because of man's fallability.
Godly science is science that is true; the earth rotates around the sun, the earth is a sphere, the earth has both water and life on it.
One of my own beliefs, which I developed independently, is that God uses science to create miracles. Sure, people are cured of a disease and people are amazed because it's obviously a work of God. However, there are other things; God uses the rules He's created to make miracles that are "under the radar", miracles that a "true" scientist would explain away with their science. However, I recognize that God was the creator of those rules, and thus, must take full credit for the miracle.
These miracles that I speak of are things that could be seen as similar to a scientist developing a cure or something of the sort. Sometimes, it seems completely random that this thing happened, others, not.
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning"
-James 1:17 (NKJV) |
How do you use science to revive the dead and duplicate 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes to feed 5,000 men?
|
We don't use Science to do that. We use Science because it's the way that humans can learn and develop their skills to make life easier, healthier, longer, and over all better. Or is that not what God wants?
|
Ah, but I was replying to the following statement:
| QUOTE | | One of my own beliefs, which I developed independently, is that God uses science to create miracles. |
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But your reply made no sense.
He said that God uses science. You're asking if we as people use science for those purposes. Science is one thing, but it has layers (Like an onion, or an ogre). We're on one layer, while God is on a completely different layer. He uses a few basic rules from our level, but most of the stuff he does is on the higher level that we just haven't reached yet. Once we do reach it, God will be on a higher level still. That's my philosophy.
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What Drake1500 said was that God uses science to do miracles. So then I asked him how it was possible to use science, and by doing this, to turn so little food into thousands of food to feed 5,000 men. Do you get what I'm saying now (?)
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Read my post again. Obviously you didn't.
somebodyspecial - January 17, 2007 10:29 PM (GMT)
To me, God creates all. There is science in everything, yes. The question is how did it all happen? Have the scientists ever thought of how the big bang actually even became a huge ball of matter and engery? They just think everything was there. They need to know that something had to have caused that ball of whatever to actually exist. I believe the big bang. God created a ball and said 'BANG!' and thus the beginning of life.
Creationism is a bunch of bull to me. People did not originate from a stupid primape. If you look at our chemical structure, there are elements that make up our body that are found in the common soil. God created us from dirt, and we have the same chemicals and elements as dirt itself. I'm not saying that we are piles of walking dirt, I'm saying that we were created of dirt as we are, and we were given souls and bodily functions to actually live.
Science and God co-exist in my world, except its only like that because God made it that way. He didn't intend for it to make unbelievers like the sin has made us all. But you get what I'm saying. ^^
Amasian - January 18, 2007 02:02 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (robshoy @ Jan 17 2007, 04:52 PM) |
| QUOTE (amasian @ Jan 17 2007, 03:18 PM) | | QUOTE (robshoy @ Jan 16 2007, 10:59 PM) | | QUOTE (amasian @ Jan 16 2007, 10:55 PM) | | QUOTE (robshoy @ Jan 16 2007, 10:50 PM) | | QUOTE (amasian @ Jan 13 2007, 07:36 PM) | | QUOTE (Drake1500 @ Jan 13 2007, 07:30 PM) | My own belief is that science and God can co-exist. But you are looking at human science, which in areas, is false, because of man's fallability.
Godly science is science that is true; the earth rotates around the sun, the earth is a sphere, the earth has both water and life on it.
One of my own beliefs, which I developed independently, is that God uses science to create miracles. Sure, people are cured of a disease and people are amazed because it's obviously a work of God. However, there are other things; God uses the rules He's created to make miracles that are "under the radar", miracles that a "true" scientist would explain away with their science. However, I recognize that God was the creator of those rules, and thus, must take full credit for the miracle.
These miracles that I speak of are things that could be seen as similar to a scientist developing a cure or something of the sort. Sometimes, it seems completely random that this thing happened, others, not.
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning"
-James 1:17 (NKJV) |
How do you use science to revive the dead and duplicate 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes to feed 5,000 men?
|
We don't use Science to do that. We use Science because it's the way that humans can learn and develop their skills to make life easier, healthier, longer, and over all better. Or is that not what God wants?
|
Ah, but I was replying to the following statement:
| QUOTE | | One of my own beliefs, which I developed independently, is that God uses science to create miracles. |
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But your reply made no sense.
He said that God uses science. You're asking if we as people use science for those purposes. Science is one thing, but it has layers (Like an onion, or an ogre). We're on one layer, while God is on a completely different layer. He uses a few basic rules from our level, but most of the stuff he does is on the higher level that we just haven't reached yet. Once we do reach it, God will be on a higher level still. That's my philosophy.
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What Drake1500 said was that God uses science to do miracles. So then I asked him how it was possible to use science, and by doing this, to turn so little food into thousands of food to feed 5,000 men. Do you get what I'm saying now (?)
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Read my post again. Obviously you didn't.
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I see what you are saying, but my question was originally directed towards Drake1500 according to his statement. And I wanted to see what he had to say. It's amazing what misunderstandings can bring about eh? ;) (I'm not trying to troll, I was talking about myself mainly in case you felt that to be offensive)
somebodyspecial - January 18, 2007 10:06 PM (GMT)
My head is spinning because of all the quotes. Why do people insist on trying to think that God can be over powered? I don't get that. God is God, and thats all there is to it.
Amasian - January 18, 2007 11:05 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (somebodyspecial @ Jan 18 2007, 05:06 PM) |
| My head is spinning because of all the quotes. Why do people insist on trying to think that God can be over powered? I don't get that. God is God, and thats all there is to it. |
Well, by definition, God can't be overpowered. I don't see where people said that before though (?)
Lurk - January 26, 2007 08:46 PM (GMT)
When a debate about these two issues comes up there is always one conflict.
To begin, I can proove to you, with real, quality evidence from past experiments of others that science can create planets. After this subject is brought up thought, people always say "how did all the animals, people and so forth get here then?" Animals, planets, humans and whatever else you want to say can be created by mutations. If new species of animals are being discovered NOW, even past the death of god, how come new species couldn't be born back in the day.
Next, when you talk about reviving the dead and creating enough food to feed 5,000 men out of two loaves of bread and five fish you talk about god. How do you know that god did all this? Where is the exactly, documented truth of this? Don't bother says the bible or other historical documents either, becuase I can make up a half assed story right now that can be as trustable as the bible. In the day when the bible was written there were many religions trying to make it seem like there's was the best, how do you know that wasn't the case with the bible? Someone made it up so they could recruit more people to there new, growing religion.
Just my two cents, but I can almost guarentee you that science created all that we know, love and see today.
Amasian - February 3, 2007 09:31 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Lurk @ Jan 26 2007, 03:46 PM) |
When a debate about these two issues comes up there is always one conflict.
To begin, I can proove to you, with real, quality evidence from past experiments of others that science can create planets. After this subject is brought up thought, people always say "how did all the animals, people and so forth get here then?" Animals, planets, humans and whatever else you want to say can be created by mutations. If new species of animals are being discovered NOW, even past the death of god, how come new species couldn't be born back in the day.
Next, when you talk about reviving the dead and creating enough food to feed 5,000 men out of two loaves of bread and five fish you talk about god. How do you know that god did all this? Where is the exactly, documented truth of this? Don't bother says the bible or other historical documents either, becuase I can make up a half assed story right now that can be as trustable as the bible. In the day when the bible was written there were many religions trying to make it seem like there's was the best, how do you know that wasn't the case with the bible? Someone made it up so they could recruit more people to there new, growing religion.
Just my two cents, but I can almost guarentee you that science created all that we know, love and see today. |
Well how can you prove to me that you are real? How do I know that you are real?
In it's original form science simply meant "knowledge". I have a hard time to understand why this was name Science vs God in the first place. This distortion of the English language is somewhat similar to the distortion of the word "gentleman". Now days people refer to a man that is nice to women and everything of that sort. But the original meaning of the word was something like: a man that had a lot of money and land (or something similar to that). My point: be careful with how you use words. Science, in this case, means Atheism. The word "science" has nothing Atheistic of it's meaning. And what is all this "god" stuff? It is God not god. Not only is it religiously correct to spell it that way but it is also grammatically correct as well. Any religious term or name is capitalized in the English language.